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Fishing is a part of our lifestyle. Taking that away from us is taking away a part of our national identity. If we are no longer given the choice to fish, what will be next? I am glad I saw a bumper sticker that bought my attention to what is going on, otherwise I would not of been given an opportunity to have my say.
I am not just speaking on behalf of myself, but am also speaking on behalf of my future children. I come form a family of fishermen & women, and I want to ensure that I can teach my children the joy of fishing too...Anita Lukey
I love fishing. I am a Kiwi,and I feel it is my right to be able to enjoy recreational fishing when I like.
This is our country.When we go let our children enjoy this country. Keep up the good work and get in behind option4...Mr David Rutter

We are all fellow citizens, and we should share without favour T HE MATAITAI business has certainly polarised opinion, and not just in Moeraki. In Dunedin, Dr Mike Hilton, of the University of Otago, has taken exception to my view of the matter. I am grateful to him for his willingness to debate, and for the pretext to consider somewhat further what I believe to be a thoroughly bad idea.

The key element of Dr Hilton's position is that Maori "did not give away their rights to fisheries when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi". Prior to the treaty, they had "total rights", which, Dr Hilton claims, have now been unjustly lost. This is an interesting argument, much favoured by lawyers, which maintains that everything on New Zealand soil and off its coasts and within its seas was, and still remains, the property of the Maori people - unless they deliberately sold or otherwise signed away any part of it. It is an interesting argument because, if Dr Hilton and his allies are correct, we are in a very much worse situation than most of us suspect. Not only do all the fish in the seas belong to a minority of the population, but so also does the native wildlife - all of it - as well as the lakes and rivers, and anything living in them. None of these things were "given away", or sold by Maori, and so, logically, if Dr Hilton is right, pakeha have no rights to them whatever. Extremists might even argue that the air itself, though vital to us all, is legal only in Maori lungs, a taonga they never surrendered.

There are large holes in this argument - aside from its essential absurdity. The first is a total failure to recognise any difference between personal possessions - which in nearly all societies may quite acceptably be individually owned - and the wider category of a nation's resources, which are held by its inhabitants in common.

The air is one such commons: it belongs to everyone and no-one. So are the public lands, the National Parks, State Forests, beaches, rivers, and lakes, together with the wild animals and plants that live on this common estate. The sea and its fish are a commons too, although here the situation is complicated by the enormous number and value of the fish, far more than required to satisfy each forager's personal need. A surplus therefore is available, which the Government has allocated to commercial use, subject to sustainability.

But it is important to note that the essential element of a commons is still maintained: anyone may take a generous quantity of fish for his or her own use, as a basic entitlement of citizenship. Why, then, should one category of citizen get more?

A second problem with Dr Hilton's position is that it seeks to fix things forever at a specific historical date, in this case 1840. Nothing thereafter is supposed to change, despite the obvious fact that everything has in fact changed completely. Maori, for instance, are no longer the people they were in 1840. They have intermarried extensively with pakeha and now, for the most part, live in a way that is common to all.

Most members of the Moeraki runanga, as it happens, no longer live at Moeraki. Many of them live in Christchurch, and yet Dr Hilton sees nothing odd about allocating these absentees a greater ration of fish than to pakeha people who actually do live, and fish, at Moeraki. His justification for this, he says, is that Maori have been "progressively isolated" by a series of laws from their sources of traditional seafood.

But this is not true. No Maori has been legally debarred from his share of the common larder. Far from it. Maori, through various racially-biased mechanisms (of which mataitai are one), have greater access and a larger share than any other citizen. This is precisely the problem.

Dr Hilton attempts to make mileage out of a presumed cultural need for Maori to provide visiting friends with quantities of seafood: "The mana or prestige of a hapu or iwi is undermined if traditional foods, particularly seafood, cannot be shared with guests." Why this situation should be any different with pakeha, who also traditionally eat seafood, is not explained. Hospitality, as Dr Hilton seems to forget, is common to all our cultures. The whole idea of different rights for different people is anathema to democracy and the provision of extra rights on the basis of race is a working definition of racism. Dr Hilton, it would seem, is willing to overlook this as long as the level of racial preference is small: "a modest compensation"; "small, very localised seafood resources". But racism, no matter how minor, is racism nonetheless, and big racisms are far more likely to take hold and grow where small ones are officially sanctioned.

Dr Hilton, of course, denies that mataitai are racist. He insists that I "can no more argue the establishment [of mataitai] is racist than [I] can claim the ongoing settlement process is racist". Yet, in the very next line, Dr Hilton can advise that "of course mataitai are intended to grant special rights to Maori". I have no doubt at all that Dr Hilton's motives are pure. But it seems to me that he is badly confused as to what constitutes racial justice. With the best will in the world, he would open the way to an iniquitous system that will fester for generations.

There is no need for this. We are neighbours. We fish. And if we are decent people, we will share the pot without favour.
....Dave Witherow is a Dunedin armchair philosopher and environmentalist

I hope all the good work Option4 are doing will protect the right I have to take my children to the edge of this great island and spend quality time catching food for the table.I don't like to think that we may not be able to do such a simple thing in the future. If the government of New Zealand let the recreational fisher suffer it will be a dark day that will not be looked back at with happiness...Mr Warren Murtagh

I'm extremely grateful for the motivated people who have given the future fishos of NZ a voice. My 4 year old and myself congratulate all of you and pledge our continuing support. Proudly displaying my bumper sticker...David & Daniel Hart.
Keep up the good work on behalf of us many recreational fisherman. It is our right to go fishing any time.Which is something we must stand up for. The Fisheries people in Wellington don't live in the real world.So we need option4 to bring them back to reality and let them know what the average KIWI recreational fisherman expects THEM to do on our behalf.Thanks again...Greg Brownson
It looks as though it has all been said already. However, yet another slant on it won't do any harm I trust. NZ is special for certain immediately recognisable "heartland" facets. Going fishing is one of them.If that is lost then something of the special nature of NZ is lost. Instead of advancing as a civilised society, we will regress a little further and the erosion of "Godzone" will continue.... Doug Wiklund
What are those people in that funny building in Wellington trying to do to us. We might be small but who are they to take away our fun. If children like us have to pay for everything we enjoy they might find they will have to build more jails. Tell them to sort their lives out. We love going out fishing with Dad,Mum,Grandad,Grandma, Dannielle (5) Aaron(2) Leah (10 weeks) FISHING IS FOR THE FUTURE NOT THEIR POCKET...Mike Baker
I regard recreational fishing as an important activity NZ citizens have always enjoyed which must now be protected in law as well as custom. The assault on our fishing resource continues and will not stop. Commercial fishing interests, both NZ and foreign will continue to assault the resource we have with no regard for non-commercial citizens interests - so we need to limit this plundering by regulation and law., and guarantee to NZ citizens (not a right to be enjoyed by non-citizens) a right of access and reasonable take for recreational purposes.... Richard Graham
There are plans to extend the Opua Marina to allow for the accommodation of a sizable commercial fishing fleet, i.e up to 100 vessels. This must be stopped to protect the recreational fishing resource in the BOI both for private and charter fishers. The resource is already under threat as a direct result of overfishing by commercial operators.
Our future is at stake - who wants the BOI to become fished out, many of us locals are dependent on tourist activities for our income. Most visitors are attracted to the BOI to become involved in water based activities. If the commercial fishing is allowed we can say goodbye to dolphin watching and any other from of recreational fishing... Richard Wall
It is vitally important, for the retention of New Zealand's identity and lifestyle, that the rights of recreational fishers are recognised and preserved...Barry Brill
I agree wholeheartedly with just about everything I have read from other fishers in your website. You are doing a great job and hopefully you will get the result you, and all the rest of us, deserve. I wonder if the fisheries ministry has looked at the implications of its proposed actions on the economy? How many people would actually remain fishers if they had to pay a levy of some sort for the right to fish? This would impact on those who make a living from selling fishing gear - bait, rods, reels, etc. And what about those who make a living in the boating industry? Many people will think twice about buying a new or secondhand boat if they felt they would not be able to fish from it (or have to pay exorbitantly for the privilege). We already have a society of the 'haves' and the 'have-nots' - if the ministry gets its way this division will become even wider and the whole face of New Zealand society will change forever, but not for the better. We must continue to fight for what is our right - good luck, and I, and many others are right behind you
... John Cardownie
Introduction of the fisheries quota management I believe was introduced by government for tax gathering purposes. Accompanied by TAC, even a annual government tax revenue budget forecast from fisheries could be fairly accurately estimated. Furthermore, fisherman operating a "cash business" operation would be curtailed. My opinion is that the major fishing companies supported the introduction of the quota management system (via the NZ fishing industry board, - which in its own right is a very selective club!) as a means of gaining control of the fisheries resource by buying up or forcing out the smaller operators as has been the case. I think the only oversight of the quota management system by industry and government was that a accountable commercial fishery would be subject to the treaty of Waitangi obligations. Considering that most of the commercial catch is destined for offshore markets including the indigenous peoples share, what right has the government, industry and indigenous corporations to feed offshore bellies at the detriment to their national people. With interest I have looked at a photo of option4 group and read that you are fighting to improve the fishing right of the individual - lets harden up a bit and fight for return of the same rights we enjoyed before the quota management system. The key is EXPORT. Introduce TAFE (Total Annual fishery export) then fight for annual TAFE reduction. By this means New Zealander's won't be sold out of there fishing rights. We will see the return of choice fish in the market for even the most competent fisherman buys fish from time to time, let alone our old people etc who are a bit past dangling the rod in the water. Remember the independent traditional commercial fisherman is fighting also for his right to practice his chosen trade of supplying fish to the greater community. New Zealand government isn't the only government managing fisheries and by example certainly has room for improvement. Keep up the good work and chalk up my support. Don't forget the pelagic fishery issues. I could go on for hours....but its time to haul....Keith Bendall
The Minister of Fisheries and his officials must take notice of the views put forward in the Option4 submission. It is imperative that the rights of recreational fisherfolk should over ride the rights of commercial operators....William Grace
I have been a keen fisherman for over 30 years & am greatly disturbed by the
way commercial interests have captured a public resource, especially the
trend to foreign ownership...Glen Saleman
option4 has a given purpose to protect all native born New Zealand Citizens
normal way of life to gather food and provide for themselves and their
families. For this I applaud your Vision.... Wayne McIntyre
What ever the option4 team do, don't throttle down. If you need more money
for better advice or advocacy ask for it from the public who support you.
This fishing right is not for negotiation...Kevin, Annette,Sara,Kane and Leith
McFadden
Keep up the good work and thanks for taking up the flag so the silent
majority won't yet again be trodden under. ...Graeme Voss.
"It is a right that people are able to collect kai moana from the sea to provide sustenance for their family. This is the way it has always been done. Those who respect the waiora of the land, sea etc. know that this is why there are limits to the catch. Do not make it hard for those in need and those that show their respect to taonga pay for the right to fish and
pay for the disrespect shown by others."....M. M. Boyd

"I have followed the progress of option4 since its inception and fully
endorse all that your panel has been trying to bring about.Too many
successive government have ignored the problem . It is great to see the
Minister taking notice at last and listening to the concerns being voiced.
Congratulations to you all for the effort that you all are making on our /my
behalf." ......Wayne Scott

"The other weekend I went for my first fish in the Auckland area, having
recently moved up from Christchurch. There I was with my good friend, on the
rocks with the sun shining, the fish biting and no other humans in sight.
Beautiful.
All this one hours drive from the biggest city in the country? What a luxury
we have right on our doorsteps.
One that needs protection before it is taken away, so we can all enjoy it.
Option4 has my full support, good work." .....Shaddon Waldie

"My first experience of fishing was down in the creek with my brothers. We had a bit of bamboo as a line, stones for sinkers, freshly collected worms for bait and a bit of nylon we managed to scrounge from Dad. We very rarely got anything but we would spend hours down there. There is nothing like feeling those fish bite. Well, catching them is better! I hope like hell that when I have children they too can freely fish the way I did as a kid. It is a part of growing up in New Zealand."..... Tania Davy

"I believe that commercial fishing tend to rape the fishing resources in any way they can. Catch and dump what is not up to salable size, which then litters our beaches. The right to retain our recreational fishing rights should be protected for future generations, and our generation, as the saying goes, The worst days fishing is better than the best days work Just because some politician has never caught a fish, they believe that they have the right to take it away from us, sounds like a childish mentality, and we as a nation voted them in." .....David Everett

"Provide me with a one page brief of option4 proposals for distribution at boat ramps at Easter. Please stand someone for government at the next election you will have my party vote. As a member of NZUA I am appalled to hear their lack of support for option4 and hope an other divers reading this will also partition NZUA to find out why they are not prepared to stand up for divers rights. For under the fisheries act we are deemed to be recreational fishers even if we only take crays and scallops
Why aren't NZUA Endorsing Option4!!!!"....Bryan Arthur Spinetto

"Good on ya option4.One up three to go.You lot at the the beehive better believe we are a force to be reckoned with.Know you lot need to get your A into G and put the right managers in place to make sure the future generations can wet a line too.
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU option4 THANKS HEAPS"
....Brian Norris

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